Hello. Welcome to a brand-new series of Julia Zemiro's Home Delivery.
MAN: Now, you're taking your life in your hands, Julia.
I hope you know that. Oh, mate.
This series I'll be meeting amazing people with extraordinary stories.
We'll be going back to their first homes...
And it was wood panelling everywhere.
I mean, it's just... it's unrecognisable.
..schools... It was just a great place to be.
..universities... You had to come here.
..first work places...
I wrote that when I was 13. That is appalling journalism.
..favourite places...
From the first moment we came I belonged.
..and we may even let them show off their secret skills.
(PLAYS NOTE ON PIANO) That one!
I can't wait.
I'm in Wellington, New Zealand, to meet an actress
who has lit up our TV screens for decades.
Whether she's a plucky, young aircraft mechanic,
a troubled forensic psychiatrist,
a loving mother and wife or indeed a woman on the run,
she has commanded our attention every step of the way.
It's Rebecca Gibney.
Well, hello, the lovely Rebecca. Hello! How are you?
Good, thank you.
Welcome to Wellington. I was going to say, how fantastic!
Near the cable car. Near the cable car.
You left New Zealand a long time ago but you're back.
I did, in 1984 and I am back.
Are you bi-Tasman, do you think? I think I am now.
I've got a foot in both. That's what I love.
Although I have lived in Australia more than New Zealand.
Well, take me on this cable car
'cause I'm literally that excited, like a child.
Walk this way.
I was on this all the time. Really?
Yep. To go where?
Into town. Into town!
I feel like a child.
It's like a ride. Yeah.
The lights in the tunnel. It's a disco.
(LAUGHS)
Look, mate, admit it.
That's what you were after all along, wasn't it?
Since first crossing the Tasman in the mid 1980s,
Rebecca Gibney has been gracing our television screens.
Her fish pendant. She had it on at the hospital.
She starred in The Flying Doctors, Halifax FP,
Packed To The Rafters and Wanted.
She has accumulated scores of awards for her work.
Rebecca Gibney.
Including taking home the Gold Logie in 2009.
This is so bloody marvellous.
Thank you for that cable car experience
but I've bought you a Mini, just for today.
Oh, my God.
Now, what is the significance of the Mini in the Gibney world?
The Mini, this is my fist car.
Your first car?
This was my very first car that I paid for myself.
I saved up all my money and it was, like, $1,600.
Mine had a gold racing stripe down the middle.
And why a Mini?
They were sexy cars. (LAUGHS)
And they were little and I knew that I could actually drive it,
'cause it was so tiny you could park it anywhere.
Now, normally we would go to the house first.
I know you're feeling a little bit nervous about going there first up.
I am a bit, yeah.
So shall we go to the primary school first?
Let's go to the primary school. Excellent.
(HORN BEEPS) Oh, shit!
Oh, this is so fun.
Oh, look at her go!
Does being back in Wellington make you happy?
It makes me very happy.
Oh, it's gorgeous.
Now, you moved a lot as a kid. I did.
We moved to Wellington when I was about 10,
but before that I probably lived in about 10 homes.
Why did you keep moving so much?
Dad was a heavy drinker and so there was that.
I think he was always changing jobs and stuff
and Mum got different opportunities.
Now, why are we going off to this school?
Well, this is the school...
When I first moved to Wellington, this was my school, Kelburn Normal.
This is my school!
Oh, wow. Look at this.
How divine.
The sign's the same!
That was a pool. A pool?
That was a swimming pool.
What happened one day, we were in getting changed,
and my girlfriend, who shall remain nameless,
used to get really nervous.
So she'd always get changed and put her swimmers on under her towel
and this one day we got distracted or something and we all ran out,
took our towels off and jumped in
and she had forgot to put her bottoms on.
And she jumped into the pool without her bottoms on.
Naked. Oh, naked.
But what's school if not a moment of embarrassment
a few times or 100?
Oh, wow.
This corridor is definitely the same.
You were a good student here, weren't you?
I was a very good student.
I was determined to be
the first female Prime Minister of New Zealand.
That's great.
Wow.
Oh.
Is this a room that you remember?
I vaguely remember it.
You can tell by the heaters
'cause they have been there a thousand years.
Yeah, and they're good. They work. They really do.
How does it feel being here in this little, little room?
I feel safe here. It's lovely.
Because you look at all the beautiful drawings
and it's children's imagination...
They're just free to come up with anything.
Just some of the things that they come up with,
it makes me feel really happy.
'Cause it was my happy place being here.
And there was a period there of about two or three years
when my father stopped drinking.
It was illness that stopped him drinking, though, wasn't it?
Yeah, he had a stroke and I think it gave him a real fright
because he was only in his 40s when he had his first stroke,
and so he gave up drinking for about two years.
And that was amazing.
I think that's when I started to really do well at school
because he was paying attention.
I'd come home and I'd go, "Look at my grades,"
and he was actually interested in it
and so things were really looking good.
You've got lots of siblings but there was quite an age difference.
So did you almost have an only-child experience?
Yeah, pretty much.
Like, they all were, like, part of the busy bee club.
They'd all go off into my sister's bedroom
and they'd have these kind of games and stuff
and I'd be sitting outside on the step by myself.
So I always wanted to do the right thing
to try and get attention, I think.
Were you spoilt? I was a spoilt brat.
Because by the time I came along Mum had a bit more money,
so I got the singing lessons,
I got the dancing lessons, I got to go to gymnastics,
I got trampolining lessons, voice lessons.
Mum gave me all the things she couldn't give everyone else,
which she is constantly reminded about by them all the time.
You said before you wanted to be the first female Prime Minister.
I did. Thank you, Helen Clark, I did.
So how does a little kid get that concept in her head, do you think?
Well, Mum was heavily involved with Labour.
She loved the Labour movement.
So we would quite often go down to Parliament
just to watch the politicians. Fantastic.
Yeah, so I'd be sitting up in the gallery just watching it.
I was fascinated with them all.
So I went, "Oh, I could do that. I could argue.
"I could argue those points."
And they, they seemed like school children.
Do you think you could go into politics now?
Oh, God, no. It's too hard! No.
'Cause I'm still not hugely comfortable with public speaking.
I still get terribly nervous and panic attacks,
the thought of them come back.
Different to being on camera on a set.
Yeah, in a safe environment where you know everyone.
Yeah, correct. No panic attacks.
I mean, I had them from the age of about 14
until I was about 32, I suffered them.
Wow. Yeah.
Alright, top of the class, Let's move on.
(LAUGHS) OK.
So were those classes you did as a kid... did they come in useful?
I dance in my undies. I dance in my T-shirt...
Absolutely. ..around the house.
Because we did it as 20-year-olds.
Why do we stop? I don't stop.
I know that big, ugly, concrete building
that we're heading up towards. Oh.
That's how she sees her high school.
We can just drive past it
'cause that's about as long as I spent there.
How long were you there for?
A year and a half, maybe two.
Alright, so you leave primary school,
possibly as the new future Prime Minister, you get here...
What changes? I think there's a number of factors.
Puberty was one.
My Dad, um, wasn't well but was drinking again,
so I kind of thought, "Well, he doesn't really care, so..."
A good girlfriend of mine, um, needed fostering
'cause she wasn't getting on with her parents.
So she came and lived with us... Oh, right.
..for a couple of years,
and I'm not saying she led me astray but we led each other astray.
Because, all of a sudden, I had a playmate.
So, you know, "Have you tried smoking?"
"No, let's try smoking."
"Oh, have you tried wagging?" "No, let's wag school."
So we kind of, yeah, got into all sorts of mischief.
That's an incredible thing for your parents
to take someone in and foster them.
Mum's like that.
Mum was always, give you the shirt off her back.
If anyone needed anything, she'd be the first person to give it to you.
So I think that's why she did it and Athena was a great girl.
You put the two of us together and we were trouble.
So did you drop out? Did you leave? I did.
I dropped out at about 15 and a half, I think.
Well, it's windy here in Wellington, outside the school.
It certainly is. Let's go somewhere...
I think we should move on somewhere inside.
OK.
Are you ready to visit your childhood home?
OK, I can do that.
You're a brave lady.
Oh, that weather's closing in now. It is, isn't it? It's really changed.
It's getting a bit ominous. Yep.
To match my mood. Oh.
We can pull in here. Oh! (LAUGHS)
Here we are. Look at that.
So how long since you've been here?
Uh...
Gee. About... 1984ish.
'84. Something like that.
Wow, has it changed? No, it hasn't.
It hasn't? Not much.
But this is, um, this is where my dad passed away.
So I haven't actually been... back. Back inside.
And also you were... um, you cared for him towards the end as well.
I did, yeah.
Whoa.
No, the last time I think I went up those steps was, um...
..that I remember, was yelling at the undertaker
'cause I got the call to say that Dad had died in the house
and so I raced home at about one in the morning
and the undertaker was coming out but his body was still in the house.
And... yeah.
Hm. OK. Alright.
Let's go in.
I think we moved here because there was less steps.
My father had lost his leg so he was able
to at least get up and down these steps.
Wow. And it's got a nice view from what I remember.
There should be a bathroom there. Yep. That's still the same.
Might avoid that room for a minute.
That was my dad's room. Mum and Dad's room.
And this was my room.
Look at the view. (LAUGHS) Yep.
That is incredible. Tiny wee room. Oh, my gosh.
'Cause you were working already, weren't you?
Yeah, I was working at a wholesale jewellers and, um,
and then my dad was really sick and so they asked me to move home.
Mum asked me if I could just stop working for a bit
and come and look after him because he couldn't get around.
So I came back here.
Does this room look familiar?
It looks completely different.
My bed was over there and I had posters everywhere.
I had Jon English on my walls.
Oh, no, and then you ended up working with him!
And then I ended up working with him. Yeah.
(GASPS) Oh, my God. It really hasn't changed.
Is that right? It looks old, doesn't it?
Wow. It's pretty much the same.
Wow.
Like, it's the same bench.
My father had a chair.
He used to sit here and the TV was in the corner, there,
and I would sit next to him on, like, a little couch
and we'd watch Days Of Our Lives and stuff together.
Did he like Days Of Our Lives? Yeah, he loved Days Of Our Lives.
Who didn't? The Young And The Restless.
Yeah.
And then I'd make him lunch in this kitchen.
And it's bizarre because after my father passed away,
there was a bed there and my sister came and stayed,
and she'd thought that I had gotten up
in the middle of the night
and that I was opening up drawers and things
and she could smell cigarette smoke.
And it wasn't me.
And I'd woken up in the night and I thought the same thing,
that I could hear someone opening and shutting doors
and smell cigarette smoke.
And we went, "Oh, my God, it's Dad. Dad's still here."
We definitely felt his presence still here
for quite a few days after he passed away.
And I thought I could see him.
'Cause his bed was, like, you could see him.
The bed was down there and it would face out
and he would often just sit on the edge of the bed,
looking out this way.
Gee, it's weird being back.
OK.
So I actually don't think I've...
Um...
So Mum and Dad's bed was like that, facing that way.
And the last time I saw Dad,
he was sitting on the edge of his bed here...
..and I said, "See you, Dad, I'm going out."
And he...
He said, "Give me a hug." And I went, "What for?"
And then he hadn't been feeling very well
and he never hugged me so I lent down and gave him a hug
and I said, "I'll see you tomorrow, you silly old bugger, I'll be back."
And he just looked up and said, "Take care of yourselves."
And I went, "Yeah, of course."
And he died that night in his sleep.
He had a heart attack.
And he had been complaining of chest pains
and I said to Mum, "Do you think he needs to go to the hospital?"
And she said, "No, he's alright." You know, "He'll be fine."
But, um, he had a heart attack in his sleep while Mum was here.
And then my brother, Patrick,
she called him and then he called me,
and when I came back...
And I always regret it because I came back and I was so upset
and they said, "Do you want to come in and see his body?" And I said no.
So I never got to say goodbye properly.
I never got to touch him or see him. Sorry.
And you'd been looking after him too. Yeah.
And I got so angry
because I thought, "I'm finally getting to know this man."
You know, for years he was just this kind of drunk, angry person,
and then in the last six months, I thought,
"I'm finally getting to know who you are."
And then he died. And he was only 51.
Mm. So he was younger than I am now.
Which is just so tragic.
And he'd been so ill as well.
He'd lost his leg and he was due to lose his...
Well, they thought he was going to lose his other leg,
and he'd said to me about the week before,
he said, "I'm not going back into hospital.
"I'm not going to go through that again."
And I went, "You're going to have to, Dad, if that's what it takes."
And he said, "No, I'm not."
And he didn't.
It's good to actually stand here, though,
'cause I never thought I'd get the opportunity
to come back into the room.
So it sort of feels quite... peaceful.
Mm.
Thank you.
Oh, I miss him. I bet.
Let's go back a bit to the beginning.
Tell us about your dad, Austin.
It's funny 'cause I talked to Mum the other day
when I knew I was doing the show
and I said, "I don't want to... I don't want to just talk about him
"because he was violent and he was an alcoholic."
She said, "But he wasn't always like that."
She said, "You've got to...
"You've got to tell people about the good side of him."
He loved his kids.
I mean, he never, never touched me, never laid a finger on me.
And he used to... You know, we'd play cards together
and he'd bring watermelons home
and we'd all sit around and spit watermelon pips
onto the, you know, newspaper
and we'd have the Sunday roast where he'd ask questions of us all
and he was a... he was a good man who made some really dumb choices.
When Mum first met him,
she said because she was escaping an abusive relationship,
her father sexually abused her for many years,
and then when she met Dad,
she thought that he was going to be kind of her saviour.
And she said for the first couple of years he was beautiful.
He was very quiet, lovely guy,
um, who just started going to the pub one day after work
and started drinking and then the drinking accelerated
and then, of course, obviously,
because he wasn't being the man that he wanted to be,
all the anger and the rage that he'd been suppressing
just started coming out and he started beating Mum up.
And that was pretty regular?
That was always. All the time. Always.
There's an infuriating notion, though, too, in domestic violence,
where people often wonder why a mum or a woman doesn't leave the house
and we know it's not that simple.
She could be terrified. She might not have the money.
What about your mum? What was the case with her?
Mum hadn't... Mum had six children, you know.
And back then you just didn't talk about it.
And I think she's often said since then that she, in a way,
kind of felt like she deserved it because of what had happened...
(GASPS) I know.
Because of what had happened to her in her childhood and she...
..she carried so much guilt over the abuse of her father...
..that when she was getting beaten up by Dad,
there was a part of her that thought she deserved... deserved it.
Sorry.
And she's such an incredible woman, my mother,
because she suffered in silence for a very long time.
'Cause that's what you did. You just got on with it.
And she had children to raise.
So, but she protected us from it. She was incredible.
She was an amazing woman and she still is an amazing woman.
I've read you say about your mum that she says if, you know,
if we don't learn to forgive, then we can't grow.
Do you feel like you've forgiven and that you're growing still?
Oh, yeah, completely.
I mean, I had a, um...
I think my panic attacks were the result of me burying feelings,
which started when I was 14 or 15,
and then I became the ultimate people pleaser
and I was always looking for male relationships
to kind of complete me because my father's relationship was
so fractured and then he died.
And then when I got to about 32, 33,
and I had a complete and utter breakdown
because I had stuffed up my first marriage
and I just wasn't coping.
And on the surface, I looked like my life was great.
I had an amazing job, incredible friends.
You know, I was making money.
But inside I was just a hole, I was a black hole.
So I had this collapse
and I luckily met this incredible woman for two years,
who just helped me through everything, including forgiving.
Weirdly enough, it wasn't my dad so much.
I mean, I had to forgive him,
but it was my grandfather that I had to,
'cause I blamed him for what had happened to Mum.
And did you know what had happened with your mum?
I mean, how old were you kids sort of made aware that that had happened?
Um, sort of, not really.
Because I think Mum, you know,
we talked about it when we got older,
after my grandfather passed away.
She never thought for a moment that he would ever try it on any of us.
He tried to touch me once but I... I, um...
I was a very strong 12-year-old and I told him to get his hands off me.
Yeah, right. You just kind of knew instinctively what to do.
Yeah, and I didn't... I didn't see him much after that.
I just said I wasn't... I didn't want to spend time...
"I don't want to go." No.
And you were quite tough, anyway, so, yeah.
Yep.
Do you think your dad was remorseful?
Yeah, see, but Dad knew nothing about my grandfather.
That was the other thing. My mum never told... never told him.
Because she said he would have killed him.
So my dad never knew that my grandfather was doing those things.
Um, which is another reason why we still had to go
and be happy families with my grandfather
because Mum said he would have killed my grandfather
if Dad knew, so...
Did you feel like you were the only family going through that
that you were aware of?
Because, of course, if you were being silent,
other families are probably being silent too.
Yeah. Oh, completely.
Oh, absolutely and it's weird when you talk to...
I recently worked with some colleagues who also had sexual abuse
in their families, also with grandparents and fathers,
and the more you talk about abuse or alcoholism
or any of the things like that,
you scratch the surface of any of them and it comes out.
And particularly with females, with women,
a lot of women have had to deal with some kind of abuse in their lives.
Was there somewhere you could go where you felt safe?
Home was always kind of safe because Mum made it safe.
Mum was so incredible at protecting us
from that sort of stuff.
She'd always shut the doors when she knew that Dad was coming home.
And she would always come in after he'd beaten her or whatever
and just make sure we were OK.
And she was even then talking about forgiveness
and, "He doesn't know what he's doing," and, "He's drunk."
You know, she's...
Her capacity to forgive and deal with stuff is quite phenomenal.
Where do you think that behaviour of his stemmed from?
He was one of, I think, like, nine or 10, and his mother...
His mother was an alcoholic,
who made him leave school when he was 13
and he was really smart.
And so as he got older, he became a dry cleaner
and he went, "Well, I'm just going to be
"the best dry cleaner in the world,"
but I actually think he was a really smart man,
doing a job that wasn't what he really wanted to do.
Your mum's pretty smart too.
My mum was the dux of her school. She was very smart.
So, again, another life that I go,
"Just imagine what you could have..."
You know, not that she... She has no regrets.
She said, you know, "I'm blessed. I have amazing children."
She has got grandchildren. She has got great grandchildren.
She's... She's phenomenal.
And I think she did an incredible job because all of us,
all my brothers and sisters,
I mean, you think about where we have come from,
the life that we've had and we're all doing amazingly well.
Well, you've got so many siblings for us choose from.
I have. Shall we meet one?
Oh, that'd be nice!
Hello! Hello!
Hey, brother. How are you?
Oh, you know, a bit nervous.
Julia, Patrick. Hello there, Patrick.
Hi, Julia, nice to see you. Great to meet you.
Thank you for coming. Pleasure.
Now, what are your earliest memories of your little sister,
your tiny little sister Rebecca?
She was such a sweet, adorable thing when she was younger, you know?
Then I got to be about 15 and I moved out of the house
and when I came down to visit and there would be Rebecca
and she'd be on her way out somewhere with Athena
and I just sensed that, "Yeah, something's going on here.
"She's getting into party mode and let's go out and find the world
"and let the world discover me."
And eventually it did discover you, didn't it?
Is it true that there's a bit of a performance gene
in all of the Gibneys?
Yes! Yes, there is.
I blame my... So it's not just Rebecca?
No. I blame my mother for that, completely. Don't you?
Mum? Yeah, she used to sing.
Remember, she'd get on the stage and sing.
See, there you go. I learned something new.
And one or two talent quests.
But she had a really good voice when she was younger.
And even Dad, he loved a good laugh.
He had a real good sense of humour.
The whole family, we used to perform.
We used to be like Some Mothers Do 'Ave 'Em.
You know Michael Spencer.
Oh, Betty. Yes... Did we all?
Do a whoopsie in the beret.
Oh, yeah, put the actions in and all.
Yeah, that's right, yeah.
See what I mean? You set us off and we're off...
Oh, my God, I love it. ..into performance mode, yeah.
Did you all get on?
Yeah. Yeah.
What we went through with our dad and our home life,
when you're united against something
that commonly can be a threat to you,
as a family, I think you tend to hold on to each other
and band together with, you know, for affirmation and security
and, you know...
I think the biggest thing is the waste.
Yeah. Yeah, he died at 51.
And he... Looking at my dad the way he was, now I think,
"You had so much potential to be such a better...
"to live life as a better human being than what you did."
But he just couldn't come to terms with things.
How did your mum cope afterwards?
I think for her there was a sense of relief in a way
because she had struggled for such a long time with him.
Yeah, relief.
And also he was sick for such a long time.
And guilt.
So she had guilt and relief
because she was here and she couldn't stop it.
She couldn't stop him dying.
It took a long time for her to get back to her normal life.
You've got this sort of monster of a grandfather,
troubles with your dad.
I mean, did men seem like untrustworthy figures
or monsters to you?
Sort of, except we had amazing brothers.
I had an amazing... Aw!
Yeah, Michael and Patrick.
Patrick and Michael were just really good brothers
and really sensitive and kind and caring
and they really did look after us.
I mean, Patrick and I, we used to do dance classes together.
Yeah, we did.
I mean, what 22-year-old wants to dance with a 13-year-old?
I mean, 14-year-old. So many skills.
I loved disco dancing and Patrick loved it,
so we used to go and, you know, take dance classes together.
And, like, he was the father-figure, I guess, in a way.
The brother but the father-figure. Yeah, yeah.
So I mean I never grew up thinking, "Men are bastards,"
because I had, you know, luckily I had...
These other great examples. It's true.
To put the time in, too.
Yeah, he's the world's best father.
I mean, he's the most amazing human. He really is.
Um, she obviously doesn't live with me, you know?
Yeah, uh, you've got to credit some of the way,
maybe, if you like, the way we are,
maybe it's the way Dad would have been if he hadn't had problems.
Because he was quite a gentle soul.
He was a gentle soul.
Unless he drank. Yeah.
Yeah, and then he used to get aggressive, so, yeah.
It is quite, um, remarkable and wonderful to see a family
that has survived all that and is close.
And I just want to thank you, Patrick,
for just wandering down Wellington somewhere and finding us.
Thank you, Patrick. Thank you so much.
Oh, it's been a pleasure.
She loves... I love it!
I used to love my Mini.
A Mini feels like freedom.
A Mini is freedom.
Look at this, you drive it like you just did it yesterday.
Look at you. A bit of a race up the road.
It's awesome.
So this is the Wellington Botanical Gardens.
It is. Gorgeous.
This is actually where my dad got a job,
um, when we first moved back to Wellington.
So he was a gardener here and he loved it.
Now, you spoke earlier about, um,
how you'd had panic attacks and anxiety.
Did it stem from that childhood
or is it something that came with you sort of not being ready
to be out there in the performing world?
Um, a bit of both maybe.
For years, I kept thinking,
"They're going to find out I'm not good at this
"and I won't get to do the job anymore."
'Cause I never trained.
Maurie Fields actually told me when I was doing The Flying Doctors,
he said, "Show up on time,
"know your lines and don't be a dick."
Don't be a dick. Yeah.
It's important. Remember that, kids.
You're a campaigner for domestic violence.
Has that been something you felt you had to talk about
because of your own experience?
Definitely something I had to talk about,
but also because I think
it really helps other people to come forward.
There's a lot of talk about the suffering,
the women that are suffering,
but a lot of the time the men are suffering too.
They need to get help as much as the women need to get help
so I think that's really important to get that out there.
Is it true that, um, your husband now
happened to live not far away from you?
Lived on the same street.
And you didn't know? No.
We would probably have gone to the same highland games.
Then I moved to Wellington,
he moved to Wellington about four years later.
Moved to Melbourne the same year. Oh, please.
And lived in Melbourne and worked in the same industry for 15 years
and never met.
Where did you actually meet, though?
Um, it was on the set of Dogwoman, Magda Szubanski's show.
He was the production designer
and I went to visit another friend there
and the producer who was producing Halifax said,
"Have you met Richard?"
And I looked at him and he looked at me
and looked at his shoes and put his hand out.
And I shook his hand and he finally looked up and our eyes met
and it really was one of those moments where I went, "I know you."
I feel like I've come home or something. I know you.
Good story.
I asked him to marry me on March 29...
You did? ..the year 2000.
I asked him to marry me and we hadn't even had a date.
And he said yes. That's great.
You know, you've had an incredible career.
The critics love you. The public love you.
You've received popular awards.
Do you feel now, in a way, that you belong?
I do.
But I think it's not even about belonging in my industry.
I feel like I just belong, full stop.
There's something about getting older
and the wisdom of looking back and thinking,
"God, why did I stress about all those things?"
Where are you at peace? I feel very at peace here.
You bringing me back here, coming back to Wellington,
because there was a few unresolved issues,
like going back to that house.
That was hard but the peace that I felt there
has carried on into now.
I feel like a door has sort of closed, but quietly.
What do you expect you will be doing in 10 years time?
There's still places I want to see.
There's still places I want to travel.
Hopefully, I'll still be acting. Maybe I'll be producing more.
Giving more encouragement to other women.
Because I was so hard on myself.
How has today been for you?
It's been emotional
and so amazing to see my brother and I'm going to cry again.
It's just been healing. It's been excellent.
Now, we can just sit like two old ladies in a park
and possible get an extra jumper and a scarf.
You can have a bit of my scarf. Could I? Oh, that's nice.
She' a giver.
She'd give you the shirt off her back.
(LAUGHS) Thank you.
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